Though if I remember correctly Bionic always does that
1:32 a.m.
To varying degrees of veracity
1:33 a.m.
What an interesting situation
1:35 a.m.
It’s kind of hard to glean anything from either of your citizen claims at all. Usually that’s weird, but you both are set up perfectly for that not to be an issue. Someone who always does it, and someone who is new. Huh.
Obviously a random vote; if not, immediate distancing (which would be something...not something cool, something weird)
The question is why the random vote
1:42 a.m.
I’d hazard it a reaction test but...reaction tests more like,,, suck.
That’s definitely not the case
It’s really common for mafia to sometimes run the early day chat
Often during meme phase
But we kinda AFK’d our way through meme phase so that’s cool
Eh. I don’t know, afaik dropshipping is generally unsustainable as a full-on job for most people. I’ve never fully looked into it, nor do I plan or need to though, so eh
I see personal progression more as a set of lines that go up and down. Sure something may have been better, or higher, before, but instead of attempting to go BACK and be who you were BEFORE, be you NOW who gets back up as younow. Of course that isn’t to say you can’t learn from your past self, not at all, but saying they’re a role model is a bit odd to me is all.
But that’s also just how I see things so take everything with at least 3 grains of salt.
And take that in some sense of pride. I feel like it’d be healthier to look at it as you progressing from what you perceive as a greater low, instead of trying to stack up to some perceived high of the past. It’s nigh impossible to become exactly who you were before. It’s an unobtainable goal fr. Stack up to make yourself and/or your life better, not to compare yourself to your own self in retrospect. Easier said than done, but still
This is my first game here, so I don't have any out-of-game reads on anyone.
9:11 a.m.
Actually after reading through I don't really have valuable reads on anyone (ik it's d1 but y'know). King kong and Dartrevas have established themselves pretty well. Either experienced town or scum hoping to get the reliable vote right out the gate. But as the latter is a stretch comparatively, they look A-OK to me now lol
I don't think anyone else has said anything where I would put them in one category or the other. Deni is mostly meme/funny replies which could mean "haha laugh off the nervousness" or she's so relaxed and not worried bout shiz.
9:13 a.m.
Bionic DID just kinda say two things then dipped but again, it's d1, what can you do
IZinzanity
Actually after reading through I don't really have valuable reads on anyone (ik it's d1 but y'know). King kong and Dartrevas have established themselves pretty well. Either experienced town or scum hoping to get the reliable vote right out the gate. But as the latter is a stretch comparatively, they look A-OK to me now lol
I don't think anyone else has said anything where I would put them in one category or the other. Deni is mostly meme/funny replies which could mean "haha laugh off the nervousness" or she's so relaxed and not worried bout shiz.
It could be that people with an interesting role like to contribute more but I am probs wrong lol
IZinzanity
Actually after reading through I don't really have valuable reads on anyone (ik it's d1 but y'know). King kong and Dartrevas have established themselves pretty well. Either experienced town or scum hoping to get the reliable vote right out the gate. But as the latter is a stretch comparatively, they look A-OK to me now lol
I don't think anyone else has said anything where I would put them in one category or the other. Deni is mostly meme/funny replies which could mean "haha laugh off the nervousness" or she's so relaxed and not worried bout shiz.
Actually after reading through I don't really have valuable reads on anyone (ik it's d1 but y'know). King kong and Dartrevas have established themselves pretty well. Either experienced town or scum hoping to get the reliable vote right out the gate. But as the latter is a stretch comparatively, they look A-OK to me now lol
I don't think anyone else has said anything where I would put them in one category or the other. Deni is mostly meme/funny replies which could mean "haha laugh off the nervousness" or she's so relaxed and not worried bout shiz.
well, why dartrevas as well as king kong? I thought both of them talked a lot but I'm not sure dart really betrayed a sense of being dialled into the game as much as kong did
well, one difference i noted was that dartrevas didn't seem to commit to a read on bionic, ne noted a few things that were happening
10:09 a.m.
then equivocated on conclusions
10:11 a.m.
kong said he thought he was trying to get some reactions, 'stirring the pot' in his words, and gave that as a justificaton for an early townlean
whereas one should be wary of people spewing random reads with no basis, I think kong as town would reasonably come up with that, given the way he likes to play town too
I would be surprised if both were citizen, put it that way... though in the first game I played here, three people all claimed citizen, and were citizen, citizen, governor, in the order that they claimed
stella's posted 6 times so far and half of them have in them, notreally relevant just thought that was funny
10:32 a.m.
but it's somewhat strange that she's not reacted to your vote more than she has
10:32 a.m.
i'm a bit conscious at the moment of not saying all my justifications out loud, since if mafia knows what i'm sniffing for then they could play around me more effectively
Later they said smth about how last game they were mafia, the mafias dominated the chat
And someone called them out
But they didn't reply to my msg saying that perhaps they are mafia
couldn't voting early and looking for a reaction be seen as the first step to reading players though? and if bionic is town then that is what he will need to do to try to win
well, neither of those mafia players are here right now, I think that would be useful to point out if it was a difference in behaviour from mario and ngekop specifically, but since they're not in our game then i wonder what motivated you to say that
well, neither of those mafia players are here right now, I think that would be useful to point out if it was a difference in behaviour from mario and ngekop specifically, but since they're not in our game then i wonder what motivated you to say that
and to be fair still, I liked how he opened the game besides that, either he's consciously manicured his scumgame very well or I think he's in his genuine scumsniffer mode
10:44 a.m.
i was following that game now and then
10:45 a.m.
ngekop is ngekop and therefore always hard to lynch bc he gives a good -vibe when he'd getting voted
10:45 a.m.
but surprised mario survived three lynches i'll say
10:46 a.m.
ugh you know what I am feeling anxious that I am being incredibly stupid and voting mason right now
10:47 a.m.
definitely we don't lynch kong today, i'm firm about that
king kong
he seems to be playing detective so it makes me think town
Me when I’m gung-ho on figuring out a conclusion to 2 messages that could either way because it’s Bionic. I have my exact reasoning why I couldn’t decide either way. You saying I just recanted what happened and said nothing on conclusions is either a mistake or deliberate misreading of what I said.
I’d hope to liken it to the former thank you
12:08 p.m.
Aye man
kirigiri
kong said he thought he was trying to get some reactions, 'stirring the pot' in his words, and gave that as a justificaton for an early townlean
whereas one should be wary of people spewing random reads with no basis, I think kong as town would reasonably come up with that, given the way he likes to play town too
Where I would say something like this goes either way, you assume an alignment on it. That doesn’t inherently make me or Kong more anything by virtue of text alone. It’s a difference in play.
12:10 p.m.
That isn’t to say Kong has any particular scumlean as of current, other than being in my initial 1/4.
kirigiri
anyway, I think regardless of whether I agree, looking for townreads at the beginning of the game is better than looking for active scumreads
This and message above
That’s the same thing as asking “why are you town”. Especially with everything that had happened at that point, I conclude those useless questions.
Though I generally tend to assume most things aren’t reaction tests, this question just sticks out as odd. What would you have ever gleaned from the answer? Unless it was rhetorical. But then what point would you be proving? Don’t question the random vote?
Weird.
kirigiri
couldn't voting early and looking for a reaction be seen as the first step to reading players though? and if bionic is town then that is what he will need to do to try to win
I agree with this statement. I think only trying to read town can lead to a game where active maf just dominates the town
kirigiri
well, neither of those mafia players are here right now, I think that would be useful to point out if it was a difference in behaviour from mario and ngekop specifically, but since they're not in our game then i wonder what motivated you to say that
Saying this out loud is somewhat
,,,, counterproductive.
If people actually listen to this, mafia is just going to read down messages even further than they maybe already should. Like,,, YES, but saying it out loud is so,,, no.
12:27 p.m.
Rather I’m saying
12:28 p.m.
Bringing attention to the possible softing of Mason is a REALLY bad thing to do
12:28 p.m.
12:28 p.m.
If you want the soft to work, you want it to still be innocuous, shocker
12:28 p.m.
Bringing attention to seemingly innocuous messages makes their purpose dull and weak
12:29 p.m.
Therefore
Don’t say it.
Kiri,,,,,
12:29 p.m.
Kiriiii
12:29 p.m.
This game more so than the episode
12:30 p.m.
What are trying to do here like
12:30 p.m.
As Kong said before
12:30 p.m.
You speak matter-of-deftly
12:30 p.m.
Factly**
12:30 p.m.
But your logic just
12:30 p.m.
Doesn’t do it
12:30 p.m.
You can say anything with confidence, it doesn’t make it make sense
IZinzanity
Hopefully activity goes up. Nothing but the same names talking- not good for town
Maybe not quantity, but I try to make sure what I say is quality. There are a few who have only announced their existence
Dartrevas
Saying this out loud is somewhat
,,,, counterproductive.
If people actually listen to this, mafia is just going to read down messages even further than they maybe already should. Like,,, YES, but saying it out loud is so,,, no.
and my point there was don't make it a 'readable' soft - i don't wish for a mason to say something clumsily that is easily readable to maf, i want them to have something breadcrumbed so that they can point to it later in case they are cced
Honestly always a bit nervous. But I have social anxiety so that's why.
If I'm town I'm nervous about pushing too hard and getting killed too early, or slipping and lynching town then I look like scum.
If I'm scum, then obviously nervous about being caught lol
2:28 p.m.
That's just my personality either way
2:29 p.m.
It's why I'll always try to give clear reads, especially when asked.
2:29 p.m.
I wish I were cool calm and collected all the time but yeah. I took a break from mafia for a reason xD
I mean I don’t really mind going off first for now but because of the fact that I made find some information that could/might help later I would say wait for night but since we have a few people who have been inactive for most of this we wouldn’t be able to say for sure
That's an interesting read. Not a terrible one either. Deni was active but I did say before they seemed only like joke or meme replies so ♀️
But also had Deni played before? Is that typical of them?
Again coming from Euphoria and I's first game here
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
kirigiri
and my point there was don't make it a 'readable' soft - i don't wish for a mason to say something clumsily that is easily readable to maf, i want them to have something breadcrumbed so that they can point to it later in case they are cced
I’m going to give you 3 seconds to think about the fact that by this logic:
anyone can claim anything as part of their bread trail and thereby be “more believable” this
bringing attention to this makes it all the more likely to happen. If a CC occurs in the first place anyway.
kirigiri
rest of what you said dart I think genuinely is very silly
I mean I feel like the shoe is on the other foot here but whatever, I doubt this will go anywhere without me spelling out what I'd want a mason to do, which would maybe defeat the point a bit
so I thought it would be helpful to turn that expectation on its head for a bit, ask innocent sounding questions and use the responses to help build a picture
Yes but also
Bionic
Granted it’s been like a half a year probably since I played with them last, but that is generally how Bionic played from what I remember.
On a normative level, yes, you’d be right, but on Bionic...? I’m just not sure.
No, I don’t quite think so.
Because I’d expect a newer player to engage with that level of “nervousness” as y’all have put it. Someone who generally knows better would just,,, not.
3:57 p.m.
Still don’t like that determinist line they made though
Still weird
That's an interesting read. Not a terrible one either. Deni was active but I did say before they seemed only like joke or meme replies so ♀️
But also had Deni played before? Is that typical of them?
Again coming from Euphoria and I's first game here
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
Man I went to sleep and really not much has happened
9:24 p.m.
I'm going to tentatively park my vote on Bionic. I've been assured Deni is playing their town meta, euphoria is at least giving reads. Im not 100% sure, but this is my vote for now.
Basically it’s because I spoke second about being citizen and was immediately voted by bionic which is weird I’m in the middle between Deni and Bionic because of the that I started to talk and was brought down from the chopping blockand since Deni is a meme citizen and probably did it for shits and giggles I’m leaning towards Bionic because of the fact that I was taken off the chopping block and nobody else for the time being except Deni has voted for me and yet he still voted for me off of a guess basically
Regardless, saying you’ll 1f1 for it is interesting
11:14 p.m.
And something I wouldn’t see a mafia doing. Not unless you don’t think Bionic would be lynched, therefore holding it in the air. It’s town-ish. How interesting.
11:18 p.m.
Or if you’re bussing Bionic early, but like,,,
11:20 p.m.
Actually strike that, I think SvS is improbable
11:20 p.m.
So yeah
Hm.
11:21 p.m.
D2 Psychic; at least one of [,] is town so helpful
11:22 p.m.
This is just a repeat of my conclusion from the beginning of the game. Crazy.
11:23 p.m.
Though Bionic continuously looks worse in my eyes tbqf
It wasn’t unusual for him to like,,, y’know actually start doing shit after a while. The beginning was similar, the rest of this is too quiet.
11:27 p.m.
Though wasn’t it that he only piped up when he was PR. That sounds about right.
This man…
11:30 p.m.
Oh yeah actually
11:30 p.m.
@Bionic Explain your vote
11:31 p.m.
I was too busy focusing on the principle of it all to realize
11:31 p.m.
What’s your vote for
11:31 p.m.
You didn’t explain a thing
11:31 p.m.
And gave no indication that you actually read anything tbqh
Bionic doesn't exercise any real caution regardless.
3:22 a.m.
Not for the most part, anyway.
3:22 a.m.
There are always moments.
3:23 a.m.
Besides, holding your life over your head is in fact
3:24 a.m.
not a good play no matter your alignment
3:24 a.m.
The question is whether Bionic wants us to back down in the guise of "well it gives info" which is still a non-reason in this case because
3:24 a.m.
guess what
3:25 a.m.
we have all this town chat to read.
It might be generally less active than most, but, once again, in the absense of a memephase, a lot of it is content driven
3:25 a.m.
Having NOTHING to say on it and lynching for "information", thereby implying SOME sort of thought to the situation
3:25 a.m.
Isn't town.
3:25 a.m.
And admitting it isn't mafia.
3:25 a.m.
Hence why I said.
Dartrevas
“There’s no way he’s this transparent as mafia”
And
“He’s just mafia”
my point is they are a silly town who doesn't care. them stirring the pot was not some genius strategy it was simply them being dumb. i just pointed out that stirring the pot is actually a good thing at the start in my opinion.
3:34 a.m.
well maybe not dumb but just being a silly town player who doesn't care
3:34 a.m.
game its just shits and gigs to them as a town
3:35 a.m.
even if you want to employ the goofy mafia player an unsual strategy i feel like part of you doesn't want to let down ur mafia team mate so it hold you back as well
3:35 a.m.
he just cannonballed into the chat drawing attention to himself
Except him trying to reason out his vote explicitly goes against the idea he's just some silly town.
Him actively responding to me saying "I'd lynch you" by selfing isn't "silly town".
from what i remember as well your mafia was like u stay quiet then random u come out of the woodworks and say a million things and dissappear where here u are more generally active.
I specifically remember Zin saying something about saying little in quantity but having high quality messages and while I ignored it at the time: Yes there's content, but how,,, FULL is it exactly. I found it all shallow, to some degree. Or maybe it's just me being usually so combative that agreeing to pretty much everything is odd. There isn't any contention in what they say. Nothing to actually dig into.
Which I guess could be seen as generally NAI or as deliberately safe mafia play. Which one I'm unsure.
3:54 a.m.
Had to do a quick iso to make sure I wasn't going crazy
also something to consider mafia don't liket to attach themselves to one another. so im thinking if zanity says "euphoria and I" it means euphoria is innocent and then when u vote (like people were rallying) u can say wow this is what u get for voting the noobs
Though I have an aversion to people saying "we" and "our" in the context of town anyway so it could be that
king kong
also something to consider mafia don't liket to attach themselves to one another. so im thinking if zanity says "euphoria and I" it means euphoria is innocent and then when u vote (like people were rallying) u can say wow this is what u get for voting the noobs
I wasn't lying when I said I'd never played here before, and calling me some kind of experienced veteran when it's been literal years (at least 4-5) just sinpky isn't accurate. Also, I would agree that I'd look like a liar on that if I had to be pressed for that info about me, but I wasn't. I wanted to give a clearer view on my meta since that's what was being discussed. I didn't want town to waste its time on me over "I know these players meta but not yours so you seem likely just cuz idk you"
I've also said d1 lunches are hard, and I was only parking my vote somewhere to get conversation going. I had slept awhile and zero happened, which concerned me.
To answer why Bionic specifically, he's just on a list of people it could be. He never gave any clear reads at the time which I thought was weird. At least even Euphoria had done that. I find it weird when people don't give their opinion about things to help progress, especially when we all seen stuck
4:46 a.m.
*seem
4:48 a.m.
But if I'm being honest, I don't have a full scum read anywhere as of yet. Just things that rub me the wrong way but not enough to be like "it's definitely Bionic you guys, get him!"
Hence why my... excuses? I guess? I like saying why it's someone and why it's NOT someone in my arguments. I don't hard push unless I feel I have info to constitute a hard push
4:49 a.m.
Also d1 hammer isn't a thing which is why I'm chill letting my vote be noncommittal today. In days moving forward, that'll change
IZinzanity
I wasn't lying when I said I'd never played here before, and calling me some kind of experienced veteran when it's been literal years (at least 4-5) just sinpky isn't accurate. Also, I would agree that I'd look like a liar on that if I had to be pressed for that info about me, but I wasn't. I wanted to give a clearer view on my meta since that's what was being discussed. I didn't want town to waste its time on me over "I know these players meta but not yours so you seem likely just cuz idk you"
I've also said d1 lunches are hard, and I was only parking my vote somewhere to get conversation going. I had slept awhile and zero happened, which concerned me.
I wanted to give a clearer view on my meta since that's what was being discussed. I didn't want town to waste its time on me over "I know these players meta but not yours so you seem likely just cuz idk you"
I will judge you all the same, it's what I do
If you've seen by how I've spoken, other than...Deni,,, metareads aren't generally my go-to. In the end, it doesn't matter all that much to me. Regardless of shyness, I still find your messages shallow by virtue of there being anything substantial in them read-wise. The closest you got to saying anything of that sort was in regards to town-chat contribution. That's about it.
Which segways to:
I've also said d1 lunches are hard, and I was only parking my vote somewhere to get conversation going. I had slept awhile and zero happened, which concerned me.
I'm not going to say that no conversation was happening, but there were definitely read-worthy votes there, and I fail to see why voting Bionic would be your best bet for starting conversation unless you wanted to bring Bionic into the chat instead of anyone else. In which case, you would do better by explaining that there and then instead of a simple, "I'll park my vote here".
4:51 a.m.
I misspoke oh no
4:51 a.m.
I'm not going to say that no conversation was happening
I'm not going to say that there wasn't a need for conversation**
IZinzanity
To answer why Bionic specifically, he's just on a list of people it could be. He never gave any clear reads at the time which I thought was weird. At least even Euphoria had done that. I find it weird when people don't give their opinion about things to help progress, especially when we all seen stuck
But if I'm being honest, I don't have a full scum read anywhere as of yet. Just things that rub me the wrong way but not enough to be like "it's definitely Bionic you guys, get him!"
Hence why my... excuses? I guess? I like saying why it's someone and why it's NOT someone in my arguments. I don't hard push unless I feel I have info to constitute a hard push
I see no problem with that. I also do the same. But I still hold and stand by them with some degree of pride. The issue for me is less you're excusing yourself and more that you're quiet with it. That's, of course, generally something mafia tends to do.
4:54 a.m.
And, yes, I know what you said about being shy, but my point still stands on a gameplay level
4:55 a.m.
That is to say, giving reads is expected, yes. But I expect them to be less dry.
Dartrevas
I see no problem with that. I also do the same. But I still hold and stand by them with some degree of pride. The issue for me is less you're excusing yourself and more that you're quiet with it. That's, of course, generally something mafia tends to do.
Im a bit confused where I've excused myself. Anything about me I've said was trying to just help read me better. Maybe we just have different definitions of that, but excuses on line with maf are more like
"Oh sorry my life is just so busy rn that's why I haven't talked"
"Idk I just suck at this game really lol idk why I'm here"
"Oh shit day started? 12 hours ago? Haha wild whoops"
I believe there's a difference between that and trying to make it so I can be read easier.
The main "excuse" that got me, was more the "quality not quantity" thing because [read above]
You'd have to ask Kong for his, that is his talking point after all
I guess. That just comes back to the shy thing. Want to contribute but I find it hard to talk for extended periods of time, so I try to make what I say clear and straight to the point. That changes when I have good info, solid read, or now- defending myself lol
Which is fair enough to a degree, but I'd still have to keep you on my radar regardless simply because of that lack of detail.
The outspokenness in regards to defense is much appreciated though yes
5:03 a.m.
And of course that isn't to say holding your full reads closer to your chest is inherently a bad thing. There are time when it's better. You just gotta be able to drop 'em in detail when you can.
5:03 a.m.
times* L
5:04 a.m.
Preferably not in an essay-esque message or messages but because people won't read them
Yeah I will say, they have sent paragraphs, to some degree. I mean, the level as was just here.
Once again, I just wouldn't say they're up to my standard.
But my thing is I've done more detective work than a lot of players here. I'm just confused cuz many things said about me here can be said multiple times over about others.
And I'm defensive because I'm.... defending myself lol it's not one vote, it was an extensive conversation about how I could be best vote rn and I'd like to be part of thay conversation
In my eyes, paying it close to no mind is weird
Especially if there's something to clear up and you just,,, don't do it for whatever reason
I don't think that's a good play for either town OR mafia tbh
I don't know why I let history repeat itself like that
Dartrevas
In my eyes, paying it close to no mind is weird
Especially if there's something to clear up and you just,,, don't do it for whatever reason
I don't think that's a good play for either town OR mafia tbh
I think that's generally expected though. On a base level, there's usually less to say {especially this game} so lesser paragraphs makes sense.
Whats gets me is the detail. They all lack in the detail I want.
6:31 a.m.
I sort of like how you did you reads, John, except your case is sepcial
Dartrevas
I sort of like how you did you reads, John, except your case is sepcial
Zin does not have that though In fact there was a slight double down with the shyness thing. Which, while I get, is still a lack of detail nonetheless.
king kong
all and all im still a big advocate of the zanity vote
it's a bit of a shot in the dark at this pint but I feel compelled to say that this is how I feel at this point in the game
7:20 a.m.
I can't shake the feeling that we have an active maf in here somewhere
7:21 a.m.
and something about Dart's process doesn't seem good faith to me, he's cast a lot of shade without committing to a vote yet, though he has drawn attention to the fact that he likes to withhold his vote until his sure of it, albeit
kirigiri
I can't shake the feeling that we have an active maf in here somewhere
but it goes counter to what I'd expect of a town thought process in this game - look for towny things and then play by PoE, especially when from his PoV there's 6 towns and 2 mafia about - at least in a facile way it's easier to make a corrct townread, so if something sticks out in a positive way it may be more wise to act on that feeling (to townread)
7:23 a.m.
but maybe I've not retained the details, but not seen him out a TR so far for any reason
7:25 a.m.
To elaborate a bit more on Bionic though, I merely thought he'd be a bad d1 lynch. If my TR townreads him, (and I believe kong to be a decent player), then I think it is fair to put some weight in his perspective and defend his TRs too, since that's what he should want to do also
7:25 a.m.
and secondly, I see kong's logic! Bionic had been kind of laconic, but his actions have had at least some concrete meaning, and maybe a bit more than a few others that have spoken more.
I feel like the towniest things zanity has said are things that a decent mafia player could write by tapping into a village mindset, like they are kind of on the easy side to put out as maf imo
the thing is like i would believe if their early sillyness transitioned into them being a more cooperative although silly person but i feel they have been very uncooperative and even changed energy a bit in a weird way basically just stonewalling me and being usually hard to get to answer questions or be involved
11:20 a.m.
and if they were "stirring the pot" the excuse they stole from me why didn't they actually make any reads off it and just say oh im useless at scumreading
I mean I get what she said, about social anxiety. I know how that feels and those first messages she was Sussed for I would have too. You know like I have social anxiety too so I would also like ask some random question to fit in lol
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1118172178056232960/1118976813004230676
just thinking again about what troubles me about izinzan, is that this kind of post comes off as doing too much to try to make friends with other town members
'that's an interesting read; not a terrible one either' well, why isn't it terrible? what do you like about euph's approach to the game?
I can get being anxious in a game like this, but what specifically you are anxious about can be telling
anxious to make the right vote, or anxious to make a good impression and be townread?
could you read bionics messages (there is not many of them) then tell me what u think of them. then could u read just some of zanitys messages (theres quite a few dont read all of them if u cbf) and tell me what u think of them
Find it hard to explain but John's posting pattern and timing really doesn't feel like mafia at all, maybe I have been seduced
12:34 p.m.
but I get the sense that he's not nervous at all despite being new to this server, I feel like other newbies might feel some pressure to spew reads and overcompensate but so far he hasn't rlly
Even though he has been on my ass this game, dart is a strong town read for me. So is euphoria honestly.
Anyone else I can argue both
3:12 p.m.
Although I wish we could hear more from euphoria, I def just get new player vibes from them
3:13 p.m.
Bionic is my only strong scum read right now, which I'm aware is the other wagon and not super helpful. Kong seems to try to give more than reads- they're controlling. Bad vibes.
Bionic is my only strong scum read right now, which I'm aware is the other wagon and not super helpful. Kong seems to try to give more than reads- they're controlling. Bad vibes.
Bionic is my only strong scum read right now, which I'm aware is the other wagon and not super helpful. Kong seems to try to give more than reads- they're controlling. Bad vibes.
sounds like a contradiction in your thought process you need to resolve, you think kong would bother bussing his partner like this? especially after he outted an early tr on him
3:24 p.m.
and I'm watching football so, excuse me if i'm not typing all the time
kong offered him an early defence, maybe he's being bussed prematurely by an inexperienced partner? as in Stella or perhaps Euphoria? But the starting interaction at the day makes me think Euph isn't teamed with Bionic
3:30 p.m.
so I can only rlly see in total two partners for Bionic that make sense
3:30 p.m.
Deni who isn't voting them, Stella who is, John I might be iffy on if not for the fact I think their cadence to me is townish, might have to revisit...
3:31 p.m.
kong are you in a +8 timezone? sry for the random tangent
Yeah despite me saying they're just new before... I might have been blinded because I was like "aw first game buddy"
But yeah I would've thought they'd at least come in EoD
again, when I got on, Bionic wasn't especially sred, Icould give him a better path than this, my arguments in public chat would instead be in the maf day chat
Like I said yesterday, the maf are happy to use me as a meat shield for today's lynching. No one tried to dismantle my wagon either except myself.
10:08 p.m.
I had second thoughts about bionic last minute and wanted to switch, and tried to make it happen. He turned out to be town. Why would I care as maf if I'd be safe.
10:09 p.m.
We cannot mislynch again. D1 gave us info, let's use it.
Then what duo makes sense? Two mafia who were on bionic's lynch and never moved? Despite my exhortations to flip to you? If from their pov they knew both you and bionic were town, then what do they gain from sticking together and forcing the bionic lynch, esp when they know bionic would probably be up next when you went
10:14 p.m.
You going now is not a done deal
10:15 p.m.
But I will need something very strong to move off this vote
That's the thing. We have a lot of low activity players. I think we need to push hard for interaction and activity today. I think duos aren't clear because we have lurkers or people happy just saying fluff then dipping
kirigiri
Then what duo makes sense? Two mafia who were on bionic's lynch and never moved? Despite my exhortations to flip to you? If from their pov they knew both you and bionic were town, then what do they gain from sticking together and forcing the bionic lynch, esp when they know bionic would probably be up next when you went
Their gain is I get lynched today and they remain untouched. If people are saying in a tvt "if this person flips town, then it's the other tomorrow" maf would be happy to let that take place
You know that there are two scum on bionic's wagon
10:22 p.m.
From that it stands to reason that they controlled the EoD in some way to make it happen as it did
10:23 p.m.
You see where I am going with this? Where do you think you would need to read?
IZinzanity
Their gain is I get lynched today and they remain untouched. If people are saying in a tvt "if this person flips town, then it's the other tomorrow" maf would be happy to let that take place
You know that if you are town that is 2 maf from 4, out of the others well one is mason, and one is me - and pardon my arrogance but I feel like you should know I am town
10:33 p.m.
Anyway, I'm going to put my phone down and try to get back to sleep
@Euphoria I suppose I should ask this now that you're confirmed not mason, but why did you immediately claim citizen at the start of Day 1, given you knew what the setup was and that mafia would be trying to read for masons to kill in Night 1?
6:34 a.m.
@Deleted User you say here you don't want to see dartrevas lynched https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1118172178056232960/1119292744028926013
Dartrevas has said nothing more in this game since you said that, what has changed?
You also were positive about not flipping to Euphoria when I offered it as a vote to save Bionic - has your view changed there? If so why?
Deni
I feel like it's izin and dart but i don't have any proof
Yes. He was playing to his everything-meta (troll)
As in, for parts of this it doesn’t really matter his role, he plays like this regardless. However, Is made the note earlier in D1 that he usually starts thinking and talking about shit by the point that we had reached. That he didn’t and his lynch planning was so,,, THAT, my conclusion was clear.
You can see the progression through my iso if you wish.
7:01 a.m.
And then he did just a little right before he died
7:02 a.m.
I guess the implication would be that he had stuff in mind and just never said it
7:02 a.m.
Partially useless insight now but thought I’d say so nonetheless
kirigiri
Guess this is interesting that his reads agreed exactly with mine - did he elaborate at all at how he got there?
I can't understand how he got dart but for inzan he said he was playing too defensive
And also he said that izin was making up excuses one after another idk why but eh i'll listen to kong
And also something about backtracking-
kirigiri
@Deleted User you say here you don't want to see dartrevas lynched https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1118172178056232960/1119292744028926013
Dartrevas has said nothing more in this game since you said that, what has changed?
You also were positive about not flipping to Euphoria when I offered it as a vote to save Bionic - has your view changed there? If so why?
Well I hadn't read darts msgs properly earlier. In my defence- they were very long.
So I reread them and I feel that Dart has kinda been all over the place.
And like this game he is open to suggestions willing to lynch anyoneish.
Last game where he was town he was much more sceptical about whom he trusted and whom he didn't.
But idk ah
The want to CFD so badly from Kiri is, in fact, weird. But I’m not sure where I stand on that yet. Technically correct but it was very,,,, desperate for a lack of an actually better lynch. That is to say, the fact that you threw so many names out says enough on your at-the-time surety of mafia.
The question would then be,“why so desperate?” And you’d have to answer that yourself Kiri. You even agree that the lynch was far from unfounded, simply that he wasn’t indefensible. It’s interesting.
kirigiri
@Deleted User you say here you don't want to see dartrevas lynched https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1118172178056232960/1119292744028926013
Dartrevas has said nothing more in this game since you said that, what has changed?
You also were positive about not flipping to Euphoria when I offered it as a vote to save Bionic - has your view changed there? If so why?
It's not that I wanted euphoria not flipped
I just wanted bionic more.
7:08 a.m.
I even suggested we could vote johh or euph early game
7:08 a.m.
Also dart even said that he feels euphoria is good soo
Deleted User
Well I hadn't read darts msgs properly earlier. In my defence- they were very long.
So I reread them and I feel that Dart has kinda been all over the place.
And like this game he is open to suggestions willing to lynch anyoneish.
Last game where he was town he was much more sceptical about whom he trusted and whom he didn't.
But idk ah
All over the place is funny. Can you prove that? I’d say the opposite actually
7:08 a.m.
I spent most of the day going back and forth on Bionic
Dartrevas
The want to CFD so badly from Kiri is, in fact, weird. But I’m not sure where I stand on that yet. Technically correct but it was very,,,, desperate for a lack of an actually better lynch. That is to say, the fact that you threw so many names out says enough on your at-the-time surety of mafia.
The question would then be,“why so desperate?” And you’d have to answer that yourself Kiri. You even agree that the lynch was far from unfounded, simply that he wasn’t indefensible. It’s interesting.
The want to CFD so badly from Kiri is, in fact, weird. But I’m not sure where I stand on that yet. Technically correct but it was very,,,, desperate for a lack of an actually better lynch. That is to say, the fact that you threw so many names out says enough on your at-the-time surety of mafia.
The question would then be,“why so desperate?” And you’d have to answer that yourself Kiri. You even agree that the lynch was far from unfounded, simply that he wasn’t indefensible. It’s interesting.
one was Izanzan who I thought was and still think is scum, second was Euphoria who I didn't really read either way but tried since it looked like lynching Izinzan wasn't achievable
Dartrevas
But that could just be me and given everything you’re most likely town
Oh, damn sorry. Misread then. That’s still 3 though. Though, to be fair, I have my own things to say on Zin’s EoD1
Still, a bit much for me. But you have a point then
IZinzanity
Even though he has been on my ass this game, dart is a strong town read for me. So is euphoria honestly.
Anyone else I can argue both
“Maybe I’m biased because they’re also new” at the end of D1
7:20 a.m.
And hold on
7:20 a.m.
Let me check just in case I missed something
7:20 a.m.
Don’t want to jump to conclusion but,,,
IZinzanity
Yeah despite me saying they're just new before... I might have been blinded because I was like "aw first game buddy"
But yeah I would've thought they'd at least come in EoD
For being so sure not but a few hours before with barely any actual argumentation up to that point
7:23 a.m.
Actually what had changed
7:23 a.m.
Because everyone e generally agreed it wasn’t really questioned
7:24 a.m.
Hell, why argue SL
7:24 a.m.
If you’re up for the lynch as opposed anyone else
7:24 a.m.
That’s their ST
7:24 a.m.
Sr**
7:25 a.m.
I get changing your mind, they made a whole point of “no hard reads” despite being so ready for that Euphoria TR on the basis of novice
7:26 a.m.
Only to 180 that shit the moment someone brings it up
7:26 a.m.
In which it wasn’t the first time it was brought up by a long shot
7:27 a.m.
Hell, I’m not sure where I stand on Euphoria, haven’t been at all really, but my point still stands here.
That inconsistency doesn’t make sense where otherwise it might given it was so snap there it is
7:27 a.m.
Wasn’t so**
7:28 a.m.
That’s the large thing that bothered me about that anyway. Kiri handled their Kong discussion and theorizing with about the logic I’d use. So nothing there.
Oh, this is easy.
My intention was to gauge my views on John. I asked what he thought, why, and anything else? Multiple times. The framing of that conversation is solidified by my pinging of Kong directly after I'm done and had secured my read.
Probing, essentially. My questions had nothing to do with what I actually thought. If they did, THEN you could argue confirmation bias.
I voted later because Zin took their vote off because "nooo not a tie" so I added my vote in and left it. Just look at the timestamps.
But yeah. This holds no actual logical standing, but I had a little experiment of thought.
I came to the conclusion on basic probability that of the first 4 people who spoke, at least 1 would be mafia, and 1 would be mason.
My reads formed as such.
Bionic and Euphoria were quick to be on the floor for me as mafia/mason. Deni was Deni, and I x'd them out entirely. Ironically, as the day went on, Kong as Mason is what I came not to expect. The only thing that in hindsight I could see as weird was the random line of Kong going "the Masons sure are hiding well"[paraphrased].
That is to say, there was a base level of confirmation bias at hand, but only to the level that I find a conflip^2 would predict. In all, it meant looking in the 1/4 as I put it earlier in the day would do me some good.
Right now, it just leaves Euphoria as lockscum for me by the limits of that thought. The question is whether I'm actually sure of that. I still see that proposition for a 1f1 between Bionic/Euphoria as something that not even the most new mafia player would do, but I can't be sure of that.
Of the little that Euphoria has said, proposing that 1f1 being one of the last, I just can't see that as mafia considering it had SUCH a good possibility of coming to be. In actuality, there is no "had", it just does.
8:05 a.m.
However, that alone cannot clear them of any reasonable doubt, obviously. As unlike the way it went with John, they haven't said enough for me to say "awh yeah, sure"
eh I wouldn't discount euphoria so quickly in your position, I've seen ngekop propose a 1f1 as last mafia in a final 5 too, in general mafia may propose them not expecting any follow through
eh I wouldn't discount euphoria so quickly in your position, I've seen ngekop propose a 1f1 as last mafia in a final 5 too, in general mafia may propose them not expecting any follow through
I still see that proposition for a 1f1 between Bionic/Euphoria as something that not even the most new mafia player would do, but I can't be sure of that.
I rather mean that an newer mafia player wouldn't anti-meta such that or actually try it. It was said with enough conviction [as I had said as my immediate response] that I just can't see it like that. Not on a base level anyway.
kirigiri
lmao, that was who was left in my PoE, and still hold my townlean on him
Something about the logic of no mafia ever voting Zinzan inherently meaning Zinzan is some kinda mafia is striking me as odd but I can't put my finger on it. Granted, it is 8 in the morning and I got no sleep, so I could be missing the obvious.
Though the swap to Euphoria would have even less of an actual explanation then. The explanation that they didn't want to have both on the wagon is pretty clean. Occam's Razor ftw, I guess, but still.
8:27 a.m.
If I were sure, a 1f1 would actually be just fine, but there's something off, I fear.
Not all possibilities are created equal. And that's why we reason through them
Kiri's premise is correct. As of current, no mafia voted for Zin despite the push to do so.
The reasoning to the conclusion that Zin must be mafia FROM that, however. Just doesn't sound right. Bionic then Zin or Zin then Bionic. One does not imply either is necessarily mafia.
Though that does leave the pairings in an interesting spot. I'm obviously excluding myself because lo
Between Stella, John, and Euphoria, would they hard-push that lynch assuming 2/3 mafia.
OH, right, that's it. The inherent assumption made by this argument is this dilemma between both mafia on the vote or having only 1 on the wagon leading to a guaranteed mafia on Euphoria. The argument is that if both of the mafia are on the vote, who is the pair? It seems to the most likely case according to the rest of you would be [Dart/Euphoria]. Which honestly seems to be a strong enough case, I'd argue why it's not being made that hard separately but that's beside the point. If we followed this logic on the other end, we'd have TWO choices, actually. Kiri and Zin. HOWEVER, why would you [Kirin] implicate yourself in such a way when/if you're sure of your township? Thus why it was never brought up. Thereby leaving only one choice in your eyes, Zin.
Still assumes that both mafia weren't on the wagon but I'm getting it.
8:38 a.m.
Actually thought of a crackpot ass theory
8:39 a.m.
Kong/Euphoria Mason pair, Deni/Kiri as mafia.
Definitely not but it's a funny thought
General town they've got
Dart/Euphoria/Zin on their radar
8:46 a.m.
Me? I'm still working through it.
Zin/Euphoria are on my radar no doubt, but given what I'd said about Kiri's postulate, I can't say Kiri isn't perhaps a mafia. Though their pair would genuinely be unknown to me because EoD1 sure was EoD1.
8:47 a.m.
The only one that would lock together 100% would be if Deni were lying. But as I said, that's crackpot realm
8:49 a.m.
Huh. Ironically, while their scramble for a CFD candidate looks odd, it makes pairing them much more difficult. Crazy that.
8:49 a.m.
looks odd to me*
Dartrevas
Me? I'm still working through it.
Zin/Euphoria are on my radar no doubt, but given what I'd said about Kiri's postulate, I can't say Kiri isn't perhaps a mafia. Though their pair would genuinely be unknown to me because EoD1 sure was EoD1.
Something about the logic of no mafia ever voting Zinzan inherently meaning Zinzan is some kinda mafia is striking me as odd but I can't put my finger on it. Granted, it is 8 in the morning and I got no sleep, so I could be missing the obvious.
Though the swap to Euphoria would have even less of an actual explanation then. The explanation that they didn't want to have both on the wagon is pretty clean. Occam's Razor ftw, I guess, but still.
In a nutshell I'd say it's that mafia didn't really have a good reason not to vote Izinzan if Izinzan were town, that no mafia ever voted her at any point in the day despite her being pushed by town (me and deni) makes me think that there's a reason for it, i.e. mafia didn't want one of their own lynched
That reasoning is a tad circular though isn't it? Just because they had no reason not to doesn't mean they were necessarily obligated to go through with splitting their vote. Though it would most probably be better play, that is not inherent, and is ultimately malleable. That isn't to say you're incorrect, however. I would still tend to agree to your premise on the basis of people playing better. And, of course, once again, Zin's flip to Euphoria makes more sense in that case.
All in all, fair enough.
Again, I can only restate that if I were maf, why would I think kiri was onto something with switching the vote last second- to someone who hadn't been active or being a threat to anybody. Dart was town. Maf was safe and probably quiet EoD because no matter what, they're safe.
10:27 a.m.
Sorry not dart
10:27 a.m.
Bionic
10:27 a.m.
Just woke up and read everything
10:28 a.m.
Unfortunately i can only try to be as active as possible today but with it being Father's day and being married to one, I do have to prioritize that
10:30 a.m.
I think that Kong wanted dart out means today, that could be our best play. That or euphoria just because again- inactivity sends off alarm bells, especially inactivity to euphoria magnitude at this point
@Euphoria I suppose I should ask this now that you're confirmed not mason, but why did you immediately claim citizen at the start of Day 1, given you knew what the setup was and that mafia would be trying to read for masons to kill in Night 1?
I wasn’t surprised because it’s d1 and even if I wasn’t mostly trying to guess based off what others were telling me about players so I had deni and bionic on my radar and chose bionic
Again, I can only restate that if I were maf, why would I think kiri was onto something with switching the vote last second- to someone who hadn't been active or being a threat to anybody. Dart was town. Maf was safe and probably quiet EoD because no matter what, they're safe.
Again, I can only restate that if I were maf, why would I think kiri was onto something with switching the vote last second- to someone who hadn't been active or being a threat to anybody.
We already got that answer. To avoid having both of your chickens in one basket. Euphoria was already up in the running from get-go solely based on activity. To argue otherwise would be a lie. Pivoting to them wouldn't be a terrible choice at all. Though, in your case, to me, it looks weird due to how much of a jump it was from everything you were saying before, even with your justification of it in at that time.
Maf was safe and probably quiet EoD because no matter what, they're safe.
Au contraire, mafia could do either, depending on the situation, but would most likely be active. Inactivity is what gets you lynched even if you weren't in any of the options. (Oh, ne36, my beloved.) Though, yes, there is a difference between inactivity and being quiet, being inactive is asking to lose in that situation, which wouldn't realistically put me or Euphoria in the cards by this logic. Granted, I can't speak for Euphoria's inactivity so L I guess
I think that Kong wanted dart out means today, that could be our best play. That or euphoria just because again- inactivity sends off alarm bells, especially inactivity to euphoria magnitude at this point
I mean honestly, since the weight of Kong is on my ass, is it really worth fighting for? Lowkey highkey a losing battle as soon as the mafia gets their shit together, assuming they're not the ones voting for me lo
I mean honestly, since the weight of Kong is on my ass, is it really worth fighting for? Lowkey highkey a losing battle as soon as the mafia gets their shit together, assuming they're not the ones voting for me lo
Just god damn follow my word and vote dart so we can go on and move onto izin since i am not god damn happy that i have to wait a god damn waiting game
Kiri/Stella? I mean, maybe. There's nothing against per se but nothing for it either.
Kiri/John? Actually, I haven't really sat down and thought about this one. Hm.
Kiri/Euphoria? No.
Kiri/Zin? Unless bussing, no.
Kiri/Deni? Already spoke on it.
Wdym they're playing super differnet they had barely said anything during ne36
In fact, certainly not enough to argue they're playing drastically differently, in my eyes
This is true to a degree. But they're still down to making themselves clear. I don't think their reads have suffered really. Except for Zin town, I actually want more info on that
I mean, you're technically not wrong,, except for the hard reads thing
2:42 p.m.
[see their switch to Euphoria EoD1]
2:42 p.m.
But I don't know if that makes them town
IZinzanity
Bionic is my only strong scum read right now, which I'm aware is the other wagon and not super helpful. Kong seems to try to give more than reads- they're controlling. Bad vibes.
Damn I sound like Kong
Less insulting though but definitely not helping my case atp
Doesn't really matter though, I wanna know what you thought you were cooking with your entrance
because his read was based less on his actual content, because it's very vague, and more because of how he presented said content, I can't say either way
5:03 p.m.
Though the people on my wagon,,
5:03 p.m.
He's in there
5:03 p.m.
So he will always be in contention
5:04 p.m.
Euphoria. I stated this earlier in the day. About odds and such
But man.
Now I gotta think about why Deni would be so quick to FC in that case. They got Kong, did they catch Euphoria too? Either that or Deni [and/or their possible partner] was real confident in being able to spin it. Though the only person here with that kind of confidence, other than me, would be Kiri. And then Nge comes in with a Kiri read that Deni NEVER said in here.
It doesn't not add up. But it's certainly a far shot.
5:25 p.m.
And then Nge comes in with a Kiri read that Deni NEVER said in here.
Thereby a form of distancing that can really be dropped at any time as long he doesn't pursue Kiri in a serious fashion.
If the crackpot Deni(slot)/Kiri thing turns out to be true, I'd die laughing. Though it's probably not the case.
5:26 p.m.
Hm.
5:26 p.m.
It's simply a really bold play if looked at like that. One that I'd never make, because FC'ing Mason is simply L. But Nge man
5:26 p.m.
It's just all wrong.
5:27 p.m.
And it's not like Deni had a reason NOT to share their Kiri read, either.
5:27 p.m.
It's just so funny.
5:28 p.m.
If Nge were to be telling the truth here, the changing of hands between those two is actually fucking insane because Nge got set to take that fall EXTREMELY hard.
something about them anyway, and the unvote earlier when Dart was L-1... I think more often a town would think to do that, definitely I think mafia partnered with Dart might freeze up and keep his vote in that scenario
This implies that as mafia I would:
A) actually believe you're not mason
B) keep you alive anyway??? I know you're not BAD, so why would I keep you alive?
what's motivating Euphoria to start the BW on Bionic? To instantly claim citizen at the start of the game- I mean not saying can't ever be mafia - but they feel like out of the box lines for a less experienced player
I'm just being an asshole atp referencing the full read
I still think Nge's opening was hot trash, but him being mafia is rather unlikely.
Euphoria claiming Mason is equally unlikely, and won't happen unless they read ALL of this and think "yeah I want to die"
Re-read from the top, I think I may be out for EoD this evening, but more I think about Stella's D1 more I think it's town, in the context of the whole game, I think his reaction to being voted gives different vibes from when I voted Zinzan
10:05 a.m.
so Izinzan/Dart/Euphoria/John... surely that has both scum in it, and my biggest scumread remains Izinzan - I really don't think her opening was good faith reads, and if it is Izinzan+Dart then it makes a lot of sense her trying to associate her partner with an active town player, where she says kong and Dart start well
10:06 a.m.
@Alive Line NE Just debating whether to go for Izinzanor Dart first really, anyone here?
10:07 a.m.
and want to offer me some final thoughts
10:08 a.m.
if not then in a couple of hours I'll probably just vote Dart and wash my hands of it,
@Alive Line NE if we ml today remember that tomorrow is lylo so if you vote a town mafia can just both vote as well and blitz it and you lose…so dont vote AT ALL tomorrow until you are 100% sure you won’t change
Then let's go after someone who hasn't spoken during the day bit is likely working in the shadows. My biggest sr is euphoria. Not a single word since what, d1? Maybe d2? They've been prodded and nothing
and still unvote on dart when he was at L-1 and tl'ing euphoria and leaning probs john/izinzanity as a team
10:05 p.m.
with kiri sr'ing izinzanity
10:05 p.m.
deni saying izinzanity next day
10:05 p.m.
literally that's a W for mafia if stella is scum and you're town
10:05 p.m.
and with a partner like euphoria idk why on earth would stella think of changing that to making it a potential bus
10:06 p.m.
and then come into lylo thinking it's izinzanity/john
10:06 p.m.
right after john points fingers at euphoria
10:07 p.m.
who can easily be lynched today and if euphoria is maf with stella then stella just lost all the credit that could've been gained yday...so if stella is maf with euphoria then stella is def going for the win today
whiiiiiiiiich is dumb to do by killing kiri (the one who tr'd stella and sr'd izinzanity) and right after kinda momentarily saved dart when dart getting lynched left a perfect game state
Kiri is a dedicated player. Maf could've been hoping eliminating her would eliminate any activity during the day period as she pushed us all to talk and participate
10:10 p.m.
Which is why I keep coming back to euphoria that refused despite all that
the way i look at it, izinzanity/john are pretty much cc's and euphoria is clear to john, meaning the only possible teams would be:
stella/izinzanity
stella/john
john/izinzanity
john/euphoria
10:11 p.m.
kiri tr'd stella and stella was aware of that
10:12 p.m.
and stella knows i can come in and take over HARD since stella watched me being the most vocal last game
10:12 p.m.
like look, i have barely read anything and i'm still doing a fair amount of stuff lmao
Kiri considered all options though. They're a largely unbiased player, despite them being on my ass a lot of the time. I think kiri was probably more of a wildcard than maf was comfortable with
10:17 p.m.
And I know I keep coming back to euphoria, but this is what I almost consider hard evidence. No activity. Zero. Zilch- since d1. When tagged they got annoyed and then nothing else. This whole game.
10:17 p.m.
I cannot ignore that. It makes me uncomfy. It doesn't lead me to believe there are good intentions.
IZinzanity
Kiri considered all options though. They're a largely unbiased player, despite them being on my ass a lot of the time. I think kiri was probably more of a wildcard than maf was comfortable with
Sure but kiri can be wrong. I mean maybe im a lot more comfortable saying that because they really sr'd me and I know I'm not scum, so me seeing Stella as an incorrect tr on Kiri's part is easy
Because kiri has wanted to vote me since d1 but didn't. I think maf didn't see her committed enough to her reads and didn't rely on her to keep to them. That wouldn't be a huge leap to make Stella/euphoria possible.
I think with it being lylo euphoria is best vote. It would ensure another day for town to figure it out, definitively get the other maf and just barely pull this off
If John is town, game over. He could be maf, although he was tr'd by the dead so lots of the same arguments for John and Stella can be made
kirigiri
Re-read from the top, I think I may be out for EoD this evening, but more I think about Stella's D1 more I think it's town, in the context of the whole game, I think his reaction to being voted gives different vibes from when I voted Zinzan
Well at least now I understand why the hesitation with the euphoria vote. I was legitimately getting heated like "it's so easy! Right there! Town wins! Let's go!"
Here is my thing
I was tossing and turning last night cuz Stella being maf just never made sense to me. Which if nge was telling the truth, she'd have to be.
OR someone for whatever reason hasn't cc'd Mason between Stella and John.
Cuz here's the thing. One reason maf would give up confirmed town is to protect their scum buddy on lylo if there's a chance they both make it out.
I'm not saying this is what happened, because obviously what's missing is mason cc. But like. I feel like we have it wrong right now somehow.
9:17 a.m.
@Deleted User@Sheesho
If either of you are Mason, claim it now please. We're beyond hiding town roles.
IZinzanity
Here is my thing
I was tossing and turning last night cuz Stella being maf just never made sense to me. Which if nge was telling the truth, she'd have to be.
OR someone for whatever reason hasn't cc'd Mason between Stella and John.
Cuz here's the thing. One reason maf would give up confirmed town is to protect their scum buddy on lylo if there's a chance they both make it out.
I'm not saying this is what happened, because obviously what's missing is mason cc. But like. I feel like we have it wrong right now somehow.
I'm definitely not. I don't think you are either. But with the whole fake claim thing IF it's true would cement you and John (to me) as maf.
Which is why I have my suspicions about how legit that was
9:31 a.m.
I want John to speak. We've heard largely from everyone but him. I've given up ever hearing from euphoria again.
Okay I'm going to put my baby down then I'm going to try to compile everything from the day so far and figure out who our Mason is. Anyone else is also free of course to give reads on this.
It's lylo. We need to lay everything out and make sure. I can't rush a vote, you yourself said that. I also want Stella to be in on this too. Town needs to make this decision together
So. If you're telling the truth, you and euphoria are town and in the clear.
If John is, you and ewuphoria both are the opposite.
This is one "bus" vs another. One has the maf and one doesn't.
Ngl you're hurting your case. I'm not pushing you. I'm just saying let's consider options. Give reads. Look back. Reference messages. I'm not saying anyone should put you up
No one is being put up until town has all voiced what they think. Throwing out votes gives maf the opportunity to hammer when town votes are on the "right" person
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
11:23 a.m.
This was kong’s code in mason chat
11:23 a.m.
He said to send y’all this
11:23 a.m.
Every 9th word of this post
king kong
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
I still don't know about euphoria being 100% clear. This game has been full of crazy plays, you being the subject of a few of them. Euphoria won't talk, John could be trying to get the more active partner confirmed so he could say to lynch whoever, bc she certainly isn't. She could be inactive/afk maf even at night.
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
Euphoria is my leaning too. Yeah, John claiming mason is out there. But again. I think if anyone confirms themselves as mason they can also tell town to lynch who they want. John seems to have been after that
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
@Sheesho@Euphoria look if you are mafs you can vote rn and hammer it and you win, and i will remain typing in here so you know im typing here and hence not looking at the voting channel
I am glad that stella no longer susses me. It is actually pretty hard to read kiri and I kinda feel the same way about dart. Deni as town joked a lot. Bionic and Euphoria are pretty inactive which is annoying. Still who are masons I wonder they are hiding well. I think don’t vote off kiri day one it’s a bad vote. You should keep sussing people euphoria not just deni.
Re-read from the top, I think I may be out for EoD this evening, but more I think about Stella's D1 more I think it's town, in the context of the whole game, I think his reaction to being voted gives different vibes from when I voted Zinzan
so Izinzan/Dart/Euphoria/John... surely that has both scum in it, and my biggest scumread remains Izinzan - I really don't think her opening was good faith reads, and if it is Izinzan+Dart then it makes a lot of sense her trying to associate her partner with an active town player, where she says kong and Dart start well
What's really funny is I think I said to John at one point that I wish I had played with town with yall before because I wasn't lying when I said IM ALWAYS NERVOUS xD